Could Holmgren draft Clausen at No. 7?

Holmgren was made HC/GM in Seattle. He was eventually relieved of his GM title. And as a HC, he didn't too well either in Seattle. When he escaped, the team is a mess. Now he goes to Cleveland as the savior?

Good luck, Cleveland. You'll need it.

And this is from a lifelong Packers fan.

Success like he had in GB earns Holmgren the benefit of the doubt. Just because his experiment in Seattle was a bust doesn't mean Cleveland won't be different. There you've got ownership that clearly WANTS to win. We don't know what kind of baggage he was saddled with in Seattle either. I'll reserve judgment on him in Cleveland until I see a few drafts. I can definitely see them taking Clausen (who fundamentally is just flat out better than Quinn)

Holmy has yet to draft and develop a franchise QB.

Let's see

5 division titles and 1 wild card berth

1 NFC Championship

I'd say that's doing pretty well, The Dawg Pound would sell their first borns for that production over the next 10 years

You can knock him in regards to the dual roles but you can't knock him as a coach. He is a future hall-of-famer in the regard

I wonder if lifetime Packers fans want to return to mediocrity. They(Packers fans) act as if they have always been the dominant team in the NFC North. Maybe if they exchange places with the current basement dwellers(Lions). They would be more likely to embrace a proven winner as a leader to help guide them(Browns) from the AFC North basement. Of course, everybody has bumps in there career. Its how you recover from setbacks seperates winners and losers.

One thing is certain and one thing only: if Holmgren wants to move up in the draft, he will have plenty of teams willing to accommodate him. Why he would want to do so is another matter entirely. The sweet spot of the first round should be the middle picks. Bradford and Clausen are the consensus top two QBs, but they are far from the top players in the draft. If they go in the top 5, some players who are much more highly rated, eg McLain, Berry, will slip.

"if Clausen does show that he has an NFL arm at his pro day next month in South Bend, his draft stock will immediately begin to climb and he should be able to ride that wave all the way until the end of April."

Clausen has been the starting quarterback for the Irish, throwing in a pro-style offense, for several years. Every one of his games has been broadcast nationally. There is massive amounts of tape on him available. If he has not shown in his games that he has an NFL arm by now, how in the hell will one pro day throwing to his own receivers without real coverage show otherwise?!?

Whoever drafts him, deserves him.

To Jerry inTX - put down the pipe. He took the Hawks to the SB. When was the last time Cleveland went?

To MIkey - he didn't draft Favre. GB got him in a trade with Atlanta. So he was a second year guy with no experience. And Holmgren made his a HOFer.

GB did draft Matt Hasselbeck and Holmgren made him pretty good too.

Do some fact checking before spouting your opinions, which are based on not much at all.

I'm afraid Browns fans will be in for another QB bust if Cleveland drafts Clausen. I've read two draft publications that describe Clausen as "brash" and "arrogant," "rubs teammates the wrong way," and "is more focused on himself than the team at times." Holmgren would really need to lay down the law with this guy, like he did during Favre's first few years. I think Cleveland would be better off going after Sam Bradford, though they'll probably need to trade up to get him, or maybe hope they can get Colt McCoy in round 2. Whoever the Browns QB is, they desperately need to give him some playmakers. I can't remember seeing a more punchless offense than what Cleveland had last year, I don't know how they managed to win 5 games.

Umm, we traded a ND QB that is better then Clausen, why would we go down that path again?

Clausen=Kyle Boller!

Sean, how many players for you think are called brash and arrogant? why is that necessarily a bad thing. No one was more brash or arrogant, or rubbed teammates the wrong way than Micheal Jordan. I'm not comparing the two, that's unfair to Claussen.

But why are you putting your faith in these idiot industries that have grown up around the draft.

If there is one thing Holmgren knows, and he knows a lot, it's QBs. I'd trust what he says. He's already told you your current crop of QBs was horse feces. He won't say anything about the draft, but if he drafts a QB, always a risk in the first round, I give him the benefit of the doubt - miles and miles of doubts. BTW, he also knows how to build an O line.

The Brown's will be fine under Holmgren. They won't make it to the show, but they'll be fine.

Holmgren's strengths have always been QBs and RBs, and while he understands the passing game as well as anyone, he is clueless when it comes to understanding receivers. That's the only thing that's kept him from having a couple more rings on his fingers.

He's got a back that they can ride like a pony for the next couple of years while he gets the passing game in shape. But he doesn't have the fire he did in Green Bay. So while the Browns will improve, they won't have the success that you'll see in places like Baltimore, Atlanta, or even Kansas City -- teams with strong ownership, solid management, and youngish (or at least newish) coaches who have something to prove.

Exactly, bring in another Notre Dame quarterback when you just shipped one off for nothing, makes zero sense. The Browns are horrible! They have a decent season with Cornell and Anderson at QB, then one not so good season and they blow everything up. No logic in the top of the organization.