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DMN: Eagles bring back Trotter

Also, notes on Tyler Thigpen and Mr. Secret. Michael Lombardi

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QUOTE: “I'd like to be remembered as a guy who tried — tried to be part of his times, tried to help people communicate with one another, tried to find some decency in his own life, tried to extend himself as a human being.” -- Paul Newman

Jeremiah Trotter and the Eagles

Jeremiah TrotterAPJeremiah Trotter will begin his third stint with the Philadelphia Eagles.

Jeremiah Trotter is back with the Birds to offer some physical toughness to the inside run defense that’s been missing since Stewart Bradley was injured in August. When I was in the league, I always believed you should never bring back an older veteran player you had waived unless there was a unique circumstance attached. For example, you cut a quarterback, and one you kept got injured, so it was much easier to bring back someone familiar with your system. I accept that logic, but for the most part, you waive a player because he’s past his prime and can’t help the team or isn’t ready to help the team.

When the Eagles lost Bradley to a torn ACL, it was clear they had no one on their roster who fit the mold of what the Jim Johnson defense needs in a middle linebacker. This defense requires the middle backer to be like a defensive lineman who can get downhill and won’t get pushed around. Joe Mays, the sixth-round pick in 2008, is short and smallish, nothing that fits the profile for what the Eagles want or need at their Mike backer. The Eagles always have claimed Mays is a tackling machine, but he wasn’t good enough to play on special teams as a rookie. Since the Bradley injury, I’ve been wondering -- how much of a tackling machine can Mays be if he can’t help the kicking game?

This injury leads to the Eagles bringing back an older player whom they’d already released, which must make the personnel department sick to their stomachs. Not because they don’t like Jeremiah, but because they were not prepared. Some might say the Patriots do to this all the time with linebacker Junior Seau, and that’s true, but the Pats paid a price for continuing to make this move -- they got slower and slower each time they resorted to veterans. Finally, this year, they said enough is enough.

For Eagles fans, the only question that matters is: Can this work? Does Trotter have any gas left in the tank to help our defense? Without seeing him work out, my first reaction is skepticism. The Eagles told Trotter he’s playing on first and second downs only, and in the old days that would be fine, he could handle the run. However, in the NFL today, there are only four teams that run the ball more in the first half than pass — Miami, Cleveland, Detroit and the New York Giants. All the other teams throw more than run, and this is where the Trotter comeback will find trouble.

Life is funny. When I was working with the Birds -- and really, the only draft I helped them run was their 1997 draft -- we selected Trotter, who at the time was viewed as an injury risk because of his knee. But after all the persuading done by the defensive coaching staff, the great Bobby DePaul (who’s now with the Bears), Bryan Broaddus and me, we got the OK from owner Jeffrey Lurie to make him one of our two third-round picks. Now, some 12 years later, Trotter returns for a second time.

Tyler Thigpen to the Dolphins

Tyler ThigpenAPTyler Thigpen gives the Dolphins another option at quarterback with Chad Pennington lost for the season.

I like this trade for Miami because Tyler Thigpen is a good-looking prospect who can make all the throws with ease and demonstrates enough athletic talent to move in the pocket. The reservations are that he’s not comfortable playing under center since most of his success in college came in the shotgun, so he’s struggled in the pro game. He tends to be erratic with the ball, losing the strike zone, but when he was in the gun last season and had Tony Gonzalez, he showed an ability to move the team. He had 11 starts for the Chiefs in 2008 and threw 18 touchdowns along with 14 picks. There was a stretch starting in November in which Thigpen started four games and threw nine touchdowns to one interception. He flashed skills that are worth developing.

The Chiefs are clearly building for next year as they try and collect draft picks to help rebuild a team that’s in desperate need of repair.

Mr. Secret and the Browns’ QB

Browns head coach Eric Mangini can keep a secret -- this we know. Which makes me wonder if that’s what Browns owner Randy Lerner saw in Mangini that was appealing enough to make him give Mangini another chance as head coach. What else could it be? Mangini made no one happy at the Jets, was tough for the players to deal with, was tough on the coaches and was tough on the organization, as his inability to communicate with anyone is legendary -- not only with the Jets but around the NFL. Nothing has changed since his move to Cleveland. The stupid fines, the secrets, the pretending to be like someone else, the lack of communication with the staff, the second-guessing have all surfaced on the shores of Lake Erie. What player is going to want to sign up next year for a chance to play for him? Since being labeled “Mangenius” and dining at Vesuvio on “The Sopranos,” Mangini is 13-22 the past three years and falling -- rapidly.

So I say keep your secrets, Eric -- who cares? After Week 3 of the NFL season, you’ve taken a proud city and proud franchise and put their team in those god-awful brown pants and destroyed their hopes for success. It’s not going to get better any time soon.

Happy birthday, Matthew…

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Mr.Murder
Sep 30, 2009
10:19 AM

Thigpen is such a value, but you would have to admit that Croyle improved his level of play to the point he could be a servicable backup. Good luck with your new team, KC may have actually better wideouts than does Miami.

The Linc
Sep 30, 2009
10:48 AM

I was a big fan of Trotter but if he was washed up 2 years ago, how is he not washed up now? Playing in coverage was always a weakness of his and now it feels like league is even more pass heavy. As you said it reeks of the team being Unprepared. They had no plan B to Stewart Bradley. Just as they had no plan B for losing Dawkins. Just as they had no plan B for Shawn Andrews. Etc, etc. And to think, Joe Banner called this "the best roster in the league".

All that said, I'd love nothing more than to see Trotter chopping with the ax in the backfield. Best of luck and health to him.

Yeah
Sep 30, 2009
10:48 AM

Good column, Mike. .... but I LIKE THE BROWN PANTS!!!!

I like the Thigpen trade, too. I hope he does well in Miami.

Agree re: Mangini. I disagree with some of his "tactics". Mainly - I think he needs to pick a QB and put his full support behind him. Though my Titans are 0-3, I think we are well-coached. Mangini could take a lesson from Jeff Fisher about avoiding a QB controversy. Pick one. Stick with it. Don't flippy-flop.

sjgmoney
Sep 30, 2009
11:07 AM

The biggest problem with the Mangenius is he has obviously not learned from his failure with the Jets. What he needed was a year or two off (or as a dee coordinator) to allow him to step back and reflect on what he did wrong, and what he would do differently. Instead he was hired within days of being fired so he's under the misconception that "it's not me, it's you."

Look how much better a coach and communicator Belichek is now compared to how he was with the Browns. "Those who have not learned from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them."

mcgarnicle79
Sep 30, 2009
12:14 PM

I agree with your comments on Mangini and I think that the Thigpen trade was good for both teams, but I'm not sure I like your assessment on the Trotter signing.

It sounds like you are making up stats to fit your article. Run percentage for the first half of football? Um, sure. What about the run percentage for an entire game, including the second half when teams try to run the ball to run out the clock or slow the tempo of the game. Or in 3rd and short or on goal-line. They have a LB that can cover in Mays, now they need an LB that can help in the run game. He also knows the scheme very well and can likely help the other young LBs learn it faster. Very good re-signing.

Greg
Sep 30, 2009
12:22 PM

Mr. Lombardi -

The Eagles selected Trotter in the 3rd round of the 1998 draft.

Chris
Sep 30, 2009
12:45 PM

What's with the hate on the Brown pants? I like em because they are unique in the league and honestly think they look sharp.

Brad James
Sep 30, 2009
01:44 PM

I really enjoyed this column as well. I think that Mangini is the worst coach in the NFL today and that Tyler Thigpen may be what the Dolphins need to get back into competition. He has a better defense than he did in Kansas City and his athleticism really is a treat to see. Trotter has a solid reputation but I'm not sure if he can play anymore. Usually, the Eagles are excellent at doing more with less, so I'll give Mr. Lurie and Coach Reid the benefit of the doubt here. Once again, Lombardi, thanks for your thoughts.

Alex
Sep 30, 2009
05:43 PM

This is Trotter's third stint with the birds. He was brought back after Washington released him and then was cut again when Gaither first stepped into MLB

Julian
Sep 30, 2009
07:56 PM

Why did the Browns hire Mangini? Only Randy Lerner knows...no wonder why the good folks of Cleveland want a new ownership there. On a league where teams can go from bottom to top in a span of 2 or 3 seasons (even in only one) the Browns, Lions (maybe they are getting better) and Raiders have managed to stink every season. You have to point to the owners of this franchises...

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