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No one knows the future, but one key is having a big thrower at QB. Michael Lombardi

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QUOTE: “Never make predictions, especially about the future.” -- Casey Stengel

The 2009 season was over for less than an hour and Vegas was already putting up odds about teams going to the Super Bowl next season. I have a hard time figuring out who will go to the Super Bowl in December of the current year, let alone predicting one year in advance. (I know Matt “I love me some Texans” Bowen can do this, though — and by the way, congrats to the Bowen family on their new addition. A Texans fan for sure.)

The odds are below -- before free agency begins, before the draft, before any trades or cuts or before any player movement. What I find interesting is that Vegas oddsmakers can make these kinds of predictions when everyone who is intimately involved in the NFL knows the next three months can change the power structure of the league. Or can it?

This offseason, the final eight teams will be limited in their ability to change their teams or add to their teams, so they must use the draft or trades to add the one or two players to get them over the top. Of the top 10 teams below, only New England, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia will have the ability to make any player moves they want based on operating in the uncapped year. As a result, expect their them (and their odds) to change this coming May.

Watching the Super Bowl, it’s clear that to win the big game a team must have a big thrower playing quarterback, someone who can make tough throws and run a sophisticated offense that can score points. The rules have changed so much that the NFL is a passing league, and without an effective passer, there’s very little chance the Super Bowl can be an achievable goal. The list below is formulated because of the quality of the quarterback play from each team, no matter what these teams do this offseason. When teams look over this list, their first reaction might be, “We can improve. We will be better than this once we make a few moves.” But without the quarterback in place, that kind of thinking is just hoping for success, not planning for success. This list should reinforce to every personnel man in the league, every team builder in the league, that they must fix the quarterback, first and foremost.

Odds to win Super Bowl XLV

1. Indianapolis Colts - 13/2
2. San Diego Chargers - 8/1
3. New England Patriots - 10/1
4. New Orleans Saints - 10/1
5. Pittsburgh Steelers - 11/1
6. Dallas Cowboys - 12/1
7. Green Bay Packers - 12/1
8. Minnesota Vikings - 12/1
9. Philadelphia Eagles - 16/1
10. Baltimore Ravens - 20/1
11. New York Giants - 20/1
12. New York Jets - 25/1
13. Tennessee Titans - 25/1
14. Atlanta Falcons - 30/1
15. Cincinnati Bengals - 30/1
16. Arizona Cardinals - 35/1
17. Chicago Bears - 35/1
18. Houston Texans - 35/1
19. Carolina Panthers - 40/1
20. Miami Dolphins - 45/1
21. San Francisco 49ers - 45/1
22. Seattle Seahawks - 45/1
23. Denver Broncos - 50/1
24. Jacksonville Jaguars - 50/1
25. Washington Redskins - 50/1
26. Buffalo Bills - 100/1
27. Cleveland Browns - 100/1
28. Detroit Lions - 100/1
29. Kansas City Chiefs - 100/1
30. Oakland Raiders - 100/1
31. St. Louis Rams - 100/1
32. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 100/1

Proposed rule change on three-point stance

I know Commissioner Roger Goodell is going to look into whether eliminating the three-point stance will help cut back on concussions, but I’m not sure this will help. The one coaching point we were all taught when we first learned to play football was to keep our pad level down; do not play high. Most offensive linemen today play in a two-point stance in order to deal with pass rushers and not waste time setting up. In a two-point stance, players are automatically playing taller, and this works for offensive linemen, but not for defensive linemen. I would think putting them in a two-point stance might create higher pad level.

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Mr. Murder
Feb 09, 2010
10:57 AM

Remove the three point stance, that's like rugby without a scrum. Let us eliminate piling on the football for fumble recoveries next?

Zone blocking involves a lot of high hat/arm blocking instead of shoulder blocking on initial contact. It gets you further upfield for tracking linebackers to block, and gets you off line contact faster. Push blocking is basically slowing the line down until the bacak reaches a point, then moving off it to get someone else. With that much high hat technique, heads are up, pad levels are high, there are fewer people going to the ground though, and that has seen a change in the types of injuries.

In all honesty the NFLPA is pretty laissez faire on performasnce enhancers and overall testing.Guys are getting too big for their own good to not end up getting hurt more in this collision sport.
Steelers eleven to one? Make sure Ben has his aspirin ready.

Jack
Feb 09, 2010
11:07 AM

"What I find interesting is that Vegas oddsmakers can make these kinds of predictions when everyone who is intimately involved in the NFL knows the next three months can change the power structure of the league." - Michael Lombardi

Every time you talk about vegas odds, you employ the same fallacy: that Vegas odds makers are predicting future results. VEGAS DOESN'T CARE ABOUT FUTURE RESULTS. All they care about is getting people to bet, and spreading the action across the teams in a way that is mathematically favorable to them.

It doesn't matter to them even a tiny bit what changes in the next 11 months. If they have too much financial liability in one team winning, they can always change the odds later to balance their books.

Correction
Feb 09, 2010
11:16 AM

"Of the top 10 teams below, only New England, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia will have the ability to make any player moves they want based on operating in the uncapped year."

I believe Green Bay should be on this list as well.

Correction
Feb 09, 2010
11:29 AM

"Of the top 10 teams below, only New England, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia will have the ability to make any player moves they want based on operating in the uncapped year."

I believe Green Bay should be on this list as well.

doc_al
Feb 09, 2010
11:30 AM

At the core, we're talking about probabilities, which are not affected by actual outcomes. Just because the Jets won a couple playoff games does not mean that someone screwed up in saying they were unlikely to go that far, it means that they beat the odds. The outcome of the SB doesn't invalidate the pre-game odds favoring the Colts - but knowing how Sean Payton was going to call the game, or that Freeney's ankle wouldn't hold up for a whole game might have changed how probable a Saints win would be predicted.

But Jack has a salient point - the Vegas odds are about betting as much as about outcomes.

chadz54
Feb 09, 2010
11:48 AM

Godell is a jack**s. i will not watch profootball again if he goes away with three poitn stance. This guy is bad for the game.

meateater
Feb 09, 2010
12:09 PM

I admit to being confused by the reference to eliminating three point stances. Maybe they have data that show the stance contributes to head trauma, but I haven't seen it, nor have I seen it on the field. Most concussions seem to come from a guy's head being slammed into the ground on a tackle or RBs getting a knee to the head. Other than a softer field or larger helmets, I can't see a lot of room for improvement.

JC
Feb 09, 2010
12:43 PM

meateater
I believe current medical research on the subject leads us to believe that lineman take many hits to the head suffering from multiple, albeit minor concussions. The cumulative effect of these minor concussions have just as severe repercussions for the player as the fewer more severe concussions. Bigger helmets seem to be the answer. Perhaps allowing/forcing linemen to wear the bigger helmets in combination with making "spearing" a severe penalty (for the protection of both players) for the RB/WR/LB/DB would work? Eliminating the 3 point stance would create less head contact for the DL/OL thereby eliminating a lot of the potential minor concussions. I wonder what they'll do for the poor centers and L Snappers though?

Brad James
Feb 09, 2010
02:12 PM

This is an interesting column, Lombardi. Hopefully my Broncos are better than Vegas thinks they are but we'll see what happens. Eliminating the 3-point stance may seem blasphemous, according to the way we were all brought up playing and watching futebol americano. I'm sure when I go to the NAB in Las Vegas in April, the odds will have already changed. Sorry, bookies, I go to Vegas for the great buffets and the night shows. We Mormons try not to gamble and even if I were that kind of Mormon, I don't have any money, so why would casinos care about me getting down? You can't gamble with pennies.... Thanks again!

Jesse
Feb 09, 2010
02:43 PM

I better rule change would be to eliminate tackling without wrapping up, which is illegal in rugby. Nothing more depressing to me than watching corners throw their torsos parallel to the ground hoping Adiran Peterson will trip over them, or seeing Terrance Newman throwing his shoulders at every reciever that catches a pass in his area. While we're at it, lets eliminate hitting receivers while they are in the air, fair catches outside of your own 20, radios in helmets, and false start penalties.

What's wrong with eliminating 3 point stance? I can't see how it changes the plays a coach would call... And it'd be nice to see a former lineman in his 60's that can feed himself soup.

DJ
Feb 09, 2010
02:54 PM

Football is organized mayhem,there will be injuries,career ending,life changing,and certainly permanent in some cases.
Something needs to be figured out about reducing concussions certainly,
but haven't we tinkered with the on field game enough?
I'm all for protecting players,both now and after they leave the game.
Firstly enforce the present rules,if you watch nearly any game,you see spearing
head shots and players leading with their helmets.
How many times have you see a fumble caused by a helmet hitting the ball?
There are way too many noncalls for these types of hits.
The referees went wild in calling the horsecollar tackle,but have ignored
much more dangerous hits in many cases.
Granted the players are bigger,stronger and faster;but has the equipment kept pace with that?
I think not.
Limiting techniques using the head are a start,as is research into the best helmet designs.
I would also suggest the effect of many of the field materials on concussions,
is a bigger factor than blocking techniques.
Artificial turf is fast and relatively easy to maintain.
But it is better or worse for the health of the players?
I'd would suggest it's worse in my opinion,address that first;before diluting the game any further.

Ben R.
Feb 10, 2010
10:39 AM

"The rules have changed so much that the NFL is a passing league."

Really? Have the rules changed THAT much? Other than the 5-yard contact zone established about five years ago, what rule has actually changed? Maybe they enforce interference more, but what other rule changes have been implemented?

firesalt
Feb 12, 2010
05:44 PM

Ben, the myriad rules protecting QBs makes it easier to throw downfield, and safer to call more pass plays. But ML is probably referring back more than five years with his comment.

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