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Have the Eagles 'packed it in?'

More issues after the loss to Lynch and the Seahawks. Matt Bowen

Print This December 01, 2011, 11:50 PM EST
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Watching the Eagles lose 31-14 to the Seahawks out in Seattle tonight, I saw a team that look disinterested (minus a few players), played with poor technique and didn’t execute the basic fundamentals of the game.

Is that a sign of a team that has “packed it in” for the season? I’ve played on a team in the NFL that went down this same path during Steve Spurrier’s final year in Washington—and this looks pretty similar. Let's check out some of my notes from the game…

Marshawn Lynch Lynch ran through the Eagles' defense for 148-yards in the Seahwaks' 31-14 win.

- I will get to DeSean Jackson, but I want to start with the defense. Why? The overall lack of technique, run-pass keys, etc. I understand the criticism of defensive coordinator Juan Castillo in Philly, but its time for these players to take some accountability as well. The front seven was beaten consistently and the tackling was extremely poor. I saw linebackers and safeties that couldn’t get off blocks, bad angles to the ball and players that didn’t wrap up vs. Marshawn Lynch. Bottom line: that defense didn’t hit.

- With Jackson, it’s right there in front of us. It is almost as if the WR has checked out mentally and we saw examples of that tonight when he ran routes. Remember, this is a receiver that is explosive and should test the top of the secondary every time he takes the field. Instead, we are now talking about a player that isn’t treating the game like a pro. I can’t figure it out. Is he hurt or is this all about a contract? He needs to figure it out soon if he wants to get paid real money and help this team win.

- A general lack of discipline of both sides of the ball. Vince Young's turnovers, missed assignments, etc. That’s on Andy Reid and the players. And from my perspective, I am looking at a team that isn’t responding to coaching. And when you have that disconnect between the locker room and the coaching staff, that is serious trouble.

Let’s see how this Eagles’ team finishes up the rest of the 2011 season, because at 4-8 they aren’t playing for a postseason spot. Not what they expected back in August.

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Mr. X
Dec 02, 2011
12:26 AM

Prediction: Andy Reid leaves the Eagles no later than the end of the 2012 season. This team mentally checked out.

Hawk_Eye
Dec 02, 2011
12:32 AM

What happened is the Seahawks are better than all you east coast boys give them credit for. They have been in every game this year except the Pittsburg game. We ran it down the Ravens "famed defence" throat and yet no one gave the Seahawks any credit. It was all about how the Ravens lost the game. WE WON THE GAMES!

Hawk_Eye
Dec 02, 2011
12:36 AM

What happened is the Seahawks are better than all you east coast boys give them credit for. They have been in every game this year except the Pittsburg game. We ran it down the Ravens "famed defence" throat and yet no one gave the Seahawks any credit. It was all about how the Ravens lost the game. WE WON THE GAMES!

dcjbl
Dec 02, 2011
02:28 AM

So Hawk-Eye, if the Seahawks are so good, why are you not leading your division. Yay, you won a game against Baltimore. This game against Philly is a joke. Philly sucks. Come to Green Bay and get your arses handed to you. Your team is years away from being any good. Maybe start with beating the 49'ers. Until then, shut the hell up.

Gw
Dec 02, 2011
03:03 AM

Seattle can give team fits and Lynch is a really tough back once he gets going...but calm down Seahawks fans, you got a long way to go. Nice to get some upsets and yes you won some games against good teams, but the team has to do better than an organizational goal of just playing spoiler. I want to see Seattle make better moves in free agency and the draft, better coaching and a real commitment to putting forth a winning organization.

Truthbtold
Dec 02, 2011
03:14 AM

Do you the difference between the Seahawks and the Ravens? The Vince Lombardi trophy.

DLK31
Dec 02, 2011
06:52 AM

@Hawk_Eye dude the Seahawks are 5-7 right now. Get over it. If they were actually a good team, they wouldn't be two games under .500. They just lost to the Redskins at home last Sunday.

Packer Pete
Dec 02, 2011
07:11 AM

DeSean Jackson seems like one of those poison guys. Good guy when all is going well; proving himself to be a cancer with a bit of adversity. The Eagles were wise in being cautious and not just throwing big bucks at Jackson last offseason. Jackson has one of the lowest catch rates among wide outs. His effort last night was abysmal, and he certainly wasn't making a good impression for possible suitors if he leaves the Eagles. I wouldn't pony up the bucks for Jackson.

kutzintl
Dec 02, 2011
09:31 AM

How short Seahawks fans memories are.. Only 6 days ago you blew a 10 point lead to a 3-7 NFC East team. Now you say you beat ALL the NFC East. You beat the Iggles. They quit. read the article. They do it every year when they are not on top. Giants die at the end of the season also

DMtShooter
Dec 02, 2011
11:56 AM

Steve Smith is making 10X DeSean Jackson's salary this year from the Eagles.

No, seriously.

So if you were DJ, a small speed guy who nearly had his career ended last year against Atlanta, would you be putting your body at risk right now, or just get through things in as safe a way as possible, and remain healthy for your next team? Even if that contract isn't as good as you hoped, it's a damn sight more than what you make right now, and it's not as if his career after football is going to be awash in million dollar offers.

I get that the guy isn't a true #1; he's inconsistent and injury prone, his hands and judgment are suspect, and a physical CB can take him out of the game. But a smart franchise schemes for what he does well, nd never lets the contract take his mind out of the game. Both parties are responsible for this mess.

DMtShooter
Dec 02, 2011
12:13 PM

Steve Smith is making 10X DeSean Jackson's salary this year from the Eagles.

No, seriously.

So if you were DJ, a small speed guy who nearly had his career ended last year against Atlanta, would you be putting your body at risk right now, or just get through things in as safe a way as possible, and remain healthy for your next team? Even if that contract isn't as good as you hoped, it's a damn sight more than what you make right now, and it's not as if his career after football is going to be awash in million dollar offers.

I get that the guy isn't a true #1; he's inconsistent and injury prone, his hands and judgment are suspect, and a physical CB can take him out of the game. But a smart franchise schemes for what he does well, nd never lets the contract take his mind out of the game. Both parties are responsible for this mess.

Power Pig
Dec 02, 2011
12:14 PM

The eagles defense is built to play with a lead, much like the colts. They are pretty much useless if they can't pin their ears back and get after the qb. I don't really like the wide 9 style that the eagles play, at least not as often as they use it. Situational alignment, im all for it, but they completely opened themselves up to be gashed up the gut, esp by a physical running attack. I bet on the seahawks winning this game because of their offensive style, and the eagles tendency to mail it in against physical opponents. Vince Young throwing a handful of picks sure didnt help the eagles cause either. I also think this style of def wears down DEs quickly, esp guys that are not huge, such as trent cole. Cole is a beast regardless of scheme, but if he's spending his energy blowing up tackles, he's going to get tired fast.

The knock on Desean Jackson out of Cal was that his immaturity is a major headache, and negates a lot of the great things he does. Eagles, you got what you drafted. On the other hand, I also think its pretty crappy that they didnt address his contract situation before paying a bunch of FAs to come in. Take care of your own, and they'll take care of you. Eagles showed no loyalty, and it rubbed a lot of the players the wrong way. Chemistry is nonexistent.

Landsnark
Dec 02, 2011
12:20 PM

@DMtShooter

Steve Smith and DeSean Jackson both signed the contracts they have right now. The difference between the two is that Steve Smith has actually done something on a consistent basis. Jackson on the other hand has dogged it and has not been a steady threat.

Everyone can make all the excuses in the world why he shouldn't play hard with his current contract, but in the end he's just showing other teams that he can't be counted on when things get tough.

Landsnark
Dec 02, 2011
12:22 PM

@DMtShooter

Steve Smith and DeSean Jackson both signed the contracts they have right now. The difference between the two is that Steve Smith has actually done something on a consistent basis. Jackson on the other hand has dogged it and has not been a steady threat.

Everyone can make all the excuses in the world why he shouldn't play hard with his current contract, but in the end he's just showing other teams that he can't be counted on when things get tough.

DMtShooter
Dec 02, 2011
12:25 PM

Steve Smith is making 10X DeSean Jackson's salary this year from the Eagles.

No, seriously.

So if you were DJ, a small speed guy who nearly had his career ended last year against Atlanta, would you be putting your body at risk right now, or just get through things in as safe a way as possible, and remain healthy for your next team? Even if that contract isn't as good as you hoped, it's a damn sight more than what you make right now, and it's not as if his career after football is going to be awash in million dollar offers.

I get that the guy isn't a true #1; he's inconsistent and injury prone, his hands and judgment are suspect, and a physical CB can take him out of the game. But a smart franchise schemes for what he does well, nd never lets the contract take his mind out of the game. Both parties are responsible for this mess.

Southern Philly
Dec 02, 2011
12:34 PM

@DMtShooter: "Steve Smith is making 10X DeSean Jackson's salary this year from the Eagles."

He's making less than 5X. 2.3M vs 470k. That doesn't excuse his behavior.

Matt,

"I saw linebackers and safeties that couldn’t get off blocks, bad angles to the ball and players that didn’t wrap up"

This has been going on for YEARS.


JimisPackers
Dec 02, 2011
02:02 PM

I wouldn't dismiss this assumption by Mr. Bowen, given the fact that the team's playoff asperations are coming to an end. I feel for some of the players on that roster because I know they are playing full-tilt regardless of the team record or score of the game, Babin-Jenkins-and a few others are casualties of an organization making (huge) mistakes the last couple of years.
Whether is was the release/trade (I cannot remember) of McNabb or the healthy contract Kolb received, to putting all of Philly's cheesesteak sandwhiches in Vick's basket, to then trading Kolb, spending into the luxury-tax and bringing in new defensive philosophy and hoping the money would create a dominate team. The Eagles are not far off from a playoff team but the lack of experience playing in new systems with new players is probably the biggest factor in the lack of success Philly is having.

I'm a fan of DJackson, he's from LA but I must assume his feelings are hurt also by the lack of faith the organization has in his skills- he's not a max contract reciever but an extension should have been a third tier priority for the Philly front office- but by spending a majority of the cap buying a new defense, the front office lost the ability to extend impending free-agents. So we will witness some of the problems from this summer's spending spree for the next few years.


Love Jimi.

JimisPackers
Dec 02, 2011
02:24 PM

I wouldn't dismiss this assumption by Mr. Bowen, given the fact that the team's playoff asperations are coming to an end. I feel for some of the players on that roster because I know they are playing full-tilt regardless of the team record or score of the game, Babin-Jenkins-and a few others are casualties of an organization making (huge) mistakes the last couple of years.
Whether is was the release/trade (I cannot remember) of McNabb or the healthy contract Kolb received, to putting all of Philly's cheesesteak sandwhiches in Vick's basket, to then trading Kolb, spending into the luxury-tax and bringing in new defensive philosophy and hoping the money would create a dominate team. The Eagles are not far off from a playoff team but the lack of experience playing in new systems with new players is probably the biggest factor in the lack of success Philly is having.

I'm a fan of DJackson, he's from LA but I must assume his feelings are hurt also by the lack of faith the organization has in his skills- he's not a max contract reciever but an extension should have been a third tier priority for the Philly front office- but by spending a majority of the cap buying a new defense, the front office lost the ability to extend impending free-agents. So we will witness some of the problems from this summer's spending spree for the next few years.


Love Jimi.

Dave
Dec 02, 2011
04:49 PM

None of the other teams are relevant as long as Aaron Rodgers is playing for Green Bay.
Sorry to tell you, but it's the truth.

Mikeh106
Dec 02, 2011
09:17 PM

Not an Iggles fan but live near Philly so get a lot of news about them. Reid has made a series of bad decisions.

1 - Hiring Castillo as def coordinator (c'mon, the guy's been an OL coach for like 15 years)
2 - Going with the wide 9 as a base D when he KNEW they lacked LBs
3 - Signing Asomugha over Pozluzny or Burnett when he KNEW they lacked LBs
4 - Trading for Rogers-Cromartie when he KNEW they lacked LBs
5 - Putting all his eggs on Vick who was a 6 game mirage last year
6 - Not extending Jackson. Yes he's an immature diva but they knew that when they chose him. He earned a new contract with his play the last 3 seasons. So now they're surprised he's acting out? Gimme a break.

Reid's had his run. Time to clean house.

Mikeh106
Dec 02, 2011
10:14 PM

Not an Iggles fan but live near Philly so get a lot of news about them. Reid has made a series of bad decisions.

1 - Hiring Castillo as def coordinator (c'mon, the guy's been an OL coach for like 15 years)
2 - Going with the wide 9 as a base D when he KNEW they lacked LBs
3 - Signing Asomugha over Pozluzny or Burnett when he KNEW they lacked LBs
4 - Trading for Rogers-Cromartie when he KNEW they lacked LBs
5 - Putting all his eggs on Vick who was a 6 game mirage last year
6 - Not extending Jackson. Yes he's an immature diva but they knew that when they chose him. He earned a new contract with his play the last 3 seasons. So now they're surprised he's acting out? Gimme a break.

Reid's had his run. Time to clean house.

deerlakejens
Dec 03, 2011
03:17 AM

Seahawks pounded the Eagles with backups playing 2/5 of their O line and 1/2 their secondary, so I would say they have the coaching in place. Trent Cole needs to be suspended for at least a game for the cheap shot he took on Russell Okung that ended his season. If anyone is actually apying attention, they have drafted very well and have added some nice FA's like Zac Miller, Robert Gallery, Sidney Rice, etc., and made a nice trade for Marshawn Lynch. I'm a lifelong Packer fan transplanted to the Seattle area and have no doubt that Schneider learned plenty from Ted Thompson. The Hawks are one of the youngest in the league and being built the right way, starting with both front lines. Carroll won the division last year (his first) and beat the reigning Super Bowl champs in the first playoff game, so I believe he has shown he can coach.

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