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Kurt had the luxury of playing with Bruce, Holt, Faulk, Fitzgerald, and Bolden. Manning has yet to play with weapons like this. If Manning is not a HOFr. Neither is Kurt.

Kind of interesting that the Giants moved to Eli over Warner when Warner was with the Gmen. Can we say that Kurt couldn't beat out Eli? If so, what does that mean?

But that's where these arguments end of going. I don't know. Is Warner HOF worthy? What about Jim Plunkett? Won two SBs with Oakland. No one ever puts him in Canton.

A lot of hot air and mostly its the fans and dj's who love to debate this stuff.

I would certainly agree that Eli's two rings are not enough on their own to get him in the HOF yet, especially since that first Super Bowl was carried by the defense and not him (no different than Roethlisberger's TERRIBLE game against Seattle). But at the same time, I find it hard to believe that he won't be a HOFer by the end of his career. He has plenty of career left plus a 5 year wait, so I'll never understand why the media and a lot of fans feel the need to try and decide these things right now.

too bad for eli that for those two sb-mvp's to mean anything, you actually have to have EARNED them. not just been handed them by default because you were the QB of the winning team in a game won by your defense and/or special teams.

Sounds like Warner has a grudge against the Giants and Eli Manning. "Warner began the 2002 season as the Rams' starter, but he played poorly, throwing seven interceptions against only one touchdown as the team went 0–3. In the Rams' fourth game, this one against the Dallas Cowboys. The following season, Warner was replaced as the Rams' starting quarterback for good after fumbling six times in the team's opening-day game against the New York Giants."

The Rams released Warner on June 1, 2004, signing a two-year deal with the New York Giants. Warner started the 2004 season as the Giants' starting quarterback, winning five of his first seven games, but following a two-game losing streak, highly touted rookie quarterback Eli Manning was given the starting job. Following the season, Warner chose to void the second year of his contract, and thus became a free agent.

Come on, wiguyinmn, you can't be serious about the second MVP and the role Manning played. You really think the Giants win without him? One play stands out - the bucket throw to Manningham when the Gints get the ball back. Brady couldn't make the play to Welker to milk the clock. Manning's pass sets up the win.

All game long he made plays,none bigger than that one. He was not a caretaker, but the main reason they won. He's legit.

Time to get over the fact that your Packers slipped at the wrong time of year. Give it up for the team that didn't.

Geoff Paugam,
Did you even read the article? Warner is 100% correct about Eli's career stats not being HOF worthy (yet), so suggesting that his comments are merely based on some grudge is a reach but also not even relevant. Even four years ago, Eli was not a very good QB. This is really the first season he's had in his NFL career where he could legitimately make the case that he was even in the top 10 at his position. Two rings and (currently) mediocre to slightly above average lifetime numbers just don't cut it for Canton. Ultimately, he'll probably get in, but why is everyone is such a rush to try and justify it now before he's really earned it?

He's not but he still has a chance. You DO have to look @ a player's stats too, that's why they keep them. 1st of all, Eli didn't even average 6.9 yds. per attempt in a season until 2009 & still only averages 7 yds. per attempt for his career (Aaron rodgers averages 8.2.). He's also never been an All Pro, has only been to the Pro Bowl 2x (although that doesn't mean as much as it use to since fans could start voting as soon as Oct./Nov..), he's never been MVP of the league, he's only completed 58.4% of his passes & he's only had a passer rating of @ least 90 twice. Eli has only had 2 excellent seasons as a QB, 2009 & 2011 so he will need to have a handful of more seasons like he did in '09 &'11 before I think that he can be considered for the HOF. As of now, he's a very good QB who has been a bit slow to develop. Also consider the fact that he's usually had a good OL (has never been sacked more than 30x in a season) & has usually had a solid-good running game too, yet it's taken him a long time to really "breakout".

Has Eli made many game-changing plays? Has Eli been dominate like Jim Brown, Joe Montana or Bob Lilly? Do teams fear Eli like they did Unitas, Earl Campbell or Dick Lane?

The fact is, just because a QB is on a team that wins a SB or 2, doesn't automatically make him a HOFer. His career statistics DO matter otherwise they wouldn't be kept. If they just went by SB wins, Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, Ear Morrall & Jim McMahon might be in the HOF. Manning is better than all of those QB's but he's not a HOFer as of now. Ask me again in 5 years.

I agree with Kurt on this. Does quarterbacking your team to 2 Super Bowl wins guarantee a yellow HoF jacket? Why does Jim Plunkett not qualify? What about his coach, Tom Flores?

so mario manningham makes one of the most amazing catches in SB history, and I'm supposed to sing Eli Manning's praises because of it?? give me a break. If Manning makes a decent throw on that play, Manningham doesn't have to work so hard to atch it and we're not even talking about that play.

Eli threw for 300yds and one TD against a defense that was rated last in the league all the way up until week 17. That's not an MVP performance. That's typical play from a SB QB. How about giving it to someone from the defense that held Tom Brady and the patriots to 17 points?? Like a Justin Tuck who had 2 sacks, 3 QB hits, 3 tackles and basically an uncredited safety?? Or even better yet Steve Weatherford who in 4 punt attempts pinned the patriots inside the 10 yard line THREE times! No, you're right. Its Eli manning all the way. He was definitely the MVP of that game. Give me a break. 3/4 of the QBs in the NFL could have won that game with the skill players he has around him on offense, and the field position his defense and special teams gave him.

I've always been annoyed that the SB MVP always seems to just the winning QB by default. But if we're going to start talking about pedestrian players like Eli Manning being MVP-candidates based on super bowl MVP awards won, that just makes me sick.

Wow - some of you people seriously need to get a life. There are bigger issues going on in the world and the level of angst expressed here over one another's opinion of Eli being HOF material is sickeningly sad.

@wiguyinmn - no, Eli is not a HOFer - not yet. But for you to rate that pass as anything but PERFECT shows you either don't know much about football or are completely dishonest. That pass ranks right up at or near the top in Super Bowl history.

And Eli was the MVP. Tuck as MVP - maybe. A case can be made. Weatherford - you've got to be kidding.

You just hate Manning because he drubbed your Packers. They stunk. Can you spell OVERRATED? Thought so.

@wiguyinmn - who's on a faster track to Canton right now - Eli or Aaron Rogers? Any impartial analysis would have to say Manning. Those road playoff wins and 2 SBs - pretty impressive.

How about the NFL record for fourth quarter TDs? Mannings. How about all those comebacks? Mannings.

If you want to denigrate Manning's cred, please don't compare it to ARog's cuz Rogers will come up short.

BearMarket,
Rodger's "comes up short" primarily because he's only been a starter for 4 years and not 7.5. No one's future is certain, but from what we've seen in 4 seasons, Rodgers has been far more impressive and productive than any four seasons Eli has ever played. He won a Super Bowl in less time, was the league MVP and an All Pro (neither of which Eli has never been), and he is THE reason that Green Bay wins. Until the last couple of season, the Giants were winning a lot of games in spite of Eli. As I said before, Manning has quite a few games left and I expect him to ultimately be a HOFer, but the comparison between those two players is far closer than you are willing to admit (and, gee, I wonder why.)

I'll just make one last point re Manning as the MVP of the SB - yes, a great catch by Manningham, but set up by play called to the right, Manning looks, and then comes left and looks off S Pat Chung so Chung can't play over the top - that leads to the perfect pass.

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin.

Bates, you're right about Rodgers smaller body of work. I love Rodgers. he's got it all and he's a blast to watch. Sure I'd rather see his fireworks in two Bears wins, but he's a worthy opponent. I hope to see the Bears play him more competitively this year.

But no one can deny Manning is right up there in the top tier. He wins the big game. He's got complete control. He knows how to use the weapons he has. He wins in the fourth quarter.

Give it up to the guy. Doesn't take anything away from Aaron or anyone else.

I hope Cutler can get to his level this year. He's the goods.

BearMarket,
Oh, I agree that Manning has finally arrived among the best QBs in the game, it just took him forever to get there. In 7.5 seasons, he's only had 2 that were some measure of impressive, and even then he barely managed to crack a rating of 90. Honestly, he needs those two rings, road playoff wins and recent late game heroics to make up for how ordinary his traditional career stat lines look. I wouldn't be surprised if he continued to consistently perform like he did in 2009 and 2011, but I'm not entirely certain that we've seen the last of bad Eli either.

Agree with Kurt.... EM may not have to win any more SB's, but he'll have to have slightly better statistics for the remainder of his career to make the HoF. If he plateaus for the remainder of his career, without any more SB trophies, the he will have a 50/50 chance at best.