to me the draft tells everything about the franchise. every one misses on picks once in a while. whenever some expert talks about taking the best available player or filling a team need, i kind of laugh. the right pick depends on the situation. as a redskins fan, I applauded last years draft. I love RGIII, but its not worth giving up multiple picks, they are thin on talent. I also don't think there's anyone out there who is worth a massive contract. Matt flynn has had a couple of promising games, but look at who is around him.

Luck, Kalil, griffin, glaiborne, Trent Richardson. Maybe RGIII will be there when the skins pick. if not, i'd like to see them pick up an o tackle--either Martin from Stanford or the kid from Iowa. don't think dre kirkpatrick is good value at 6, but think he ia helluva player. happy new years

Out Newman,Ball,Elam,James,Benett,Spencer,Brookings, In M.Barron,TJ McDonald,A. Dennard,Kirkpatrick,C. Fleener,J.Fuller

Sean Lee,D.Ware,Romo & The WRs&Witten, Thats All The Cowboys got ,They need to hiring Wes or Kiper as GM or something these players suck!

Packer D looked awful once again. Looks like they will be one and done this year which is a shame because their offense sure looked good, even without Rodgers and Jennings playing and an O-line which is still struggling. Thompson needs to add some D pressure in the off season to help.

jackson - yeah, that was the most disappointing 15-1 season in history. must suck to be a packer fan, what with all that flawed winning. i'm sure the packers will be regarded as the most disappointing repeat super bowl winning team in nfl history.

The Lions got robbed on the touchdown catch which was ruled an incompletion. Agreed with the announcers that the league needs to get a system in place to get calls right. The former league offical, Mike Pereira, who now works for Fox Network and who previously ripped into Jon Gruden for not know the rules, lamely defended the league and said changing the current system would take the game out of the hands of the officials. Exactly what is needed since getting the calls right is what should be the goal, not the precious self esteem of a bunch of refs.

Jackson,
I'm not sure how much can be taken away from a game in which defensive starters were being held out. The first 15 games make the case that Green Bay is giving up too many yards (while still doing a very good job limiting points and creating turnovers), but yesterday's game really adds nothing of substance to the argument.

Listening to stream of 670 score this morning online. Enjoying it so far.

It makes me laugh when they refer to the single season sack record as the most sacks in a season EVER. Sacks have only been an official stat since 1982. There have been several pass rushers prior to '82 who were much more fearsome than Gastineau, Strahan or Allen. I read somewhere that David "Deacon" Jones once had 25 sacks in one season! Someone at NFL Films should start a major project; go back, review the footage, and compile a true all-time sacks list. I bet the numbers guys like Reggie White, Bruce Smith and L.T. put up would pale in comparison to some of the all-time great pass rushers.

Football Fan,
If u sacrifice the "precious self-esteem of a bunch of refs," it should be clear that officiating will only get worse. It should also be clear that if u take too much power (& the responsiblity that goes along with that power) out of the minds of the refs, their judgement & abilities will worsen. That's how the human mind works. People are either unaware of how that functions in their own minds, or they just routinely overlook it.

A perfect example of this is Matt Flynn yesterday. Inactivating Rodgers not only protects him, it says to Flynn "The game is in your hands, you are our man." Not at all the same thing as playing Rodgers for a series & then sending in "the backup." The wisdom level of the Packers organization is off the charts. They really know what they're doing with regard to team building & chemistry. So inspiring.

So Jackson>>>who will be the one to take them out in the first game @ Lambeau.............Lions?Falcons? Giants?...........you're kidding, right?

Ted Thompson will go defense heavy in the '12 draft, that's obvious. Wynn & Wilson are backups although I think that Wilson could be a solid starter in time. Howard Green has been a no-show on the field, is old & just a guy after a fairly good 2nd half of the '10 season. Mike Neal & Lawrence Guy are young & have been injured, the jury is still out on them. The only legit players on the defensive line are Pickett & raji. Pickett is long in the tooth but he's still very good @ stopping the run. The DL has supplied little pass-rush which has hurt the defense although that's not their main job. The DL needs major upgrading, I can see GB going after 2 3 techniques/DE, w/1 being taken in the 1st 2-3 rounds.

Hawk & Bishop can't cover & Hawk is immune to making any big plays while the OLB spot opposite CM3 is still unresolved. Walden hasn't been the same since he was arrested & can't hold the point on the outside v. the run. Zombo is ok but has been very injury prone. D.J. Smith has shown promise but is undersized. He could be a poor man's Sam Mills if he reaches his potential. Francois did show flashes & had 2 INT's but he's young & doesn't seem to be starter material. So'oto had a very good exhibition season as a pass-rusher & has potenital but is very raw, while Brad Jones has regressed after showing promise as a rookie. Hawk should be looking over his shoulder & a pass-rushing OLB will be drafted in the top 3 rounds.

Woodson is still very good, has about 2 years left but he's clearly lost a step or 2. He still has a knack for big plays & is a valuable leader. Tramon Williams & Sam Shields had down years which has been contributed to the lack of pass-rush & the loss of Collins. Burnett had a fairly decent 2nd season but it was obvious that the lack of an off-season had hurt his progression. He looks like he'll be a good pro w/big play potential. Although Shields is only in his 2nd year, he has a lot of upside but like Burnett & the other young players, the lack of an off-season has cost him. Patrick Lee has had 2 ACL injuries in his 1st 2 seasons so his 4.41 speed is a memory. Other than the recent Detroit game, he's done pretty well on special teams & holds his own as a dime-back. Devon House has very good size & speed but is raw. He'll see more time in his 2nd year. Peprah is a solid backup but can be replaced. GB will probably draft a CB & possibly a FS in the middle rounds.

On offense, GB will probably draft a QB, Wr, C & maybe a T. I think that GB has 10 picks as of now.

GB will probably go to the Super Bowl although the lack of defense still worries me. If they can still create turnovers, they should be fine.

Sirscorps - nice analysis, but TT is going to draft the best player available!

people need to understand the packers firstoff had nothing to play for sunday and still beat the lions. second: now we are in the playoffs...lets see what the defense does when it matters and they are hungry for another ring and its must win every week. (I like our chances)

Giants beat the Packers at Lambeau - unless of course the Packers continue to get the hometown officiating they have been enjoying which was evident vs. the Lions this past week.