Quinn’s NFL numbers don’t lie

No arm for long throws, leaves his feet at times when he throws, he never got on page with his wideouts for hot routes?

Maybe he needs to work in with a system and come into a situation, like Cassel did.

Matt,

I find your article here exceptionally shallow . Quinn has started 7 or 8 games in his NFL career. Sporadically, over a 3 year span. Its very obvious that the supporting cast around him is weak in virtually every area of the Offense.

Porous OL, that cannot block for the Running game, and cannot keep a pass rusher out of the backfield for anything more than 2 seconds.
No WR capable of creating seperation from a defender.
A rookie OC who has proven to any common sense viewer that he is in over his head.
A HC that has already, previously, exhibited lack of confidence in him by pulling him only 2.5 games after proclaiming him the starter..........AND, in favor of a journeyman player (Anderson) whom 99% of all Cleveland fans believe to be "not the answer". Anderson's stats for this same team, this season, are worse than Quinn's.
An over the hill RB that has no burst left to break a run over 15 yards.

Rodgers has Donald Driver. Jennings. Those 2 alone account for a 200% talent increase over the entire Browns offensive roster.

J. Russell, for example, has started quite a few more games than Quinn has, He has "a track record" to analyze. 7 starts over a 3 year span in the NFL, for a QB in an ever changing system, does not constitute a track record.

But, to you, here, it does.

I'm not about to argue that Quinn will certainly be the long term answer. I don't believe we know that yet. But, the kid needs to be given more time, a far better supporting cast, and a consistent system to work with, to have any chance to succeed.

IMO, to say he has proven himself to be inadequate in such a short time, with such a PATHETIC supporting cast, is really disaapointing to read on this website. I've always felt this website gave a little bit better in depth perspective on the game than the other "main stream media".

I view this one as a deadline cruncher; Too little time to put something sensicle in print because you didn't do your homework well enough for today's column.

If thats your real thoughts, then I'm glad you don't come anywhere close to teaching my 10 & 12 year kids.

Burning a 1st round pick on a QB that doesn't pan out just kills your organization doesn't it. That is some high priced poker going on in the draft war rooms. If the new CBA keeps a salary cap then it really needs a rookie pay scale, too. Having the cap and then allotting a big chunk of it to a bust just decimates teams for years.

Matt I think its funny how you state that you and the national media never give Aaron Rogers the benefit of the doubt - that is about as laughable a comment you have made in your columns given the man crush you and everyone other writer at NFP have on Rogers. You might want to go back and read your article after Favre school him and the Pack on October 5th - something about the "better" quarterback lost the game. Give me a break...

John,

time to start sleeping without your Favre bobble head doll. Anyways, Matt is spot on about Quinn. He is awful.

During the moments that I actually managed to stay awake during this dire contest, I was wondering why Mangini kept calling bubble screens and <5 yard throws?!? The ravens safeties were playing so close to the 1st down marker that on the few receptions that were made, the receiver was stopped immediately.
Then during the 4TH QTR, at which point I began to question my masochistic side, Mangini called for some more deep throws. On two occasions, Quinn managed to land the ball 5-10 yards out of bounds and then I realised, the bubble screens and dump off plays called weren't limiting Quinn, Quinn was limiting the play calls.

When you have to cut your playbook by 75% because your QB can't make the throws, it's time to give up on said QB.

Here come the Golden Domers!!!!!!!!

You guys kill me with your support of Quinn. He is brutal. Do you watch the games? But, I guess with time he is going to outgrow his candy arm, huh?

CHILD PLEASE!

John - Stop with exclusive blame or glory tied to QB wins and losses alone. The team wins or the team loses. QB's get far too much credit for winning and far too much credit for losing. I'm not a Packer fan, but I find it laughable to say Favre schooled Rodgers. Rodgers individual effort alone kept both of those games reasonably close. He ad over 650 yds passing, 5 tds and 1 int. He was also the Packers only capable rusher during both outings. Why give Favre allt he credit on the comparison when Harvin personally gauranteed the Vikings a start inside the Packers 35 yd line due to his 177 yds in special teams returns.

Your comparison, or contrast in this case, is equally as shallow as anything in the article referenced above.

When I saw the headline I thought I might get some insight, rather than just having Quinn's numbers re-hashed.

EVERYTHING is wrong with this team, from the top down. Quinn is just caught in the middle.

When the season's over some lucky teams will get bargains because of this sort of analysis. Brady Quinn and D'Qwell Jackson could very well be next seasons Andra Davies and Kyle Orton

After watching Quinn in college I was gobsmacked that he was a first round pick at all. "Charlie and his pro style offense made Quinn a millionaire" has always been my stance on Quinn. The guy was not accurate in college (Lombardi has said this many times also), nor could he throw the deep ball well. We see the same things now in the NFL, regardless of the talent around him which I agree is poor. What made the Browns think they could improve those two things to the point he would be worth a first rounder? Accuracy is something that is very hard to improve dramatically in my opinion. The deep ball perhaps could be depending on WHY he has issues throwing it well. He never should have been drafted in the first round...period. That certainly isn't his fault though.

I am not a huge believer in teams drafting first round QBs and putting them out there right away especially when they are horrible teams. I believe you build a decent team and develop a guy with a vet taking the snaps for a year or so then put your new franchise leader out there when you feel he is ready. If he goes to a decent team to start with like Sanchez did, maybe you throw the kid out there and take your lumps with him. But I believe you run the risk of ruining a very expensive investment and setting your franchise back a lot of years if you aren't very careful with a decision to draft a QB in the first round.

Did you see the receivers in that game? Furrey in particular was beyond aweful. Quinn didn't look good either (serious accuracy problems), but those receivers and that line give the QB no chance whatsoever.

Matt,

Don't get me wrong, I am not convinced that Quinn is the answer in Cleveland. I feel you cannot judge any NFL QB on 7 NFL starts littered over 3 seasons, under 3 seperate OC.

So, mangini and his staff actually reduced the play calls by 75% of the book because his QB cannot make those throws? Right?

Think a QB that showed that bad would even be wearing an NFL uniform?

Quinn's arm strength was more than adequate for 4 years at Notre Dame. Did he hurt it? Maybe you know something that hasn't been revealed.

What would be your own personal assessment of why Derek Anderson has performed worse, and has been given a greater amount of playing time?

Arm strength?

Give Quinn the rest of the season to see what kind of pattern of improvement he might be able to show. Poor supporting and all. Maybe, against Detroit this next week, he MAY even be able to stand upright in the pocket, and look the field over for a few seconds before he has to duck. Imagine the possibilities.

Dan,

"Furrey in particular was beyond aweful".

News Flash: Furrey is the most experienced WR Mangini has assembled on his roster for the balance of the year (unless you count Cribbs as a full time WR...).

And, I'll be willing to bet that film study today concludes that at least 50% of the "QB/WR misreads" with each other can be attributed to the inexperienced WRs running the routes.

Imagine if they actually conclude from that same film that John St.Clair actually effectively blocked 1 Raven defender on one play.

1 Raven defender, on 1 play, all night long. That GD Quinn blew his big opportunity on that play.:)

Well, certainly there is no downside to starting him for the rest of this season. It seems pretty clear to me that the Cleveland Staff was 90% sure he isn't the answer after the first three games, and benched him to make sure he didn't hit the escalators in his contract. He sure hasn't earned them, that's for sure. It also makes him more tradeable.

I guess that I don't know what Matt's point is. Should they bench Quinn to determine if Anderson is the answer? We already know the answer to that question. Quinn looks horrible, but what other option do they have? The media doesn't have to give him a pass anymore, but that doesn't mean the Browns should bench him.

What I don't get is how a QB that ripped can have such a weak arm. His mechanics are terrible, his short passes come off consistently at a downward angle - like one of McNabb's bad throws, except it's inconsistent through *every* throw I saw Quinn make. And the deep ball? Man, forget about it. The one time he tried to go really deep for Cribbs late in the game he put up the nastiest looking end-over-end dead duck I can remember.

ps. "Think a QB that showed that bad would even be wearing an NFL uniform? "

Derek Anderson. JaMarcus Russel. No dude, "he is in the NFL, therefore he is good" is far from a truism. On reducing the playbook: you seem to be attempting sarcasm but yes, that appears to be exactly what happened. You think it's a coincidence they won't let him throw deep when he can't even manage a spiral on the rare chance he gets? Come on now.

Seph,

"but yes, that appears to be exactly what happened. You think it's a coincidence they won't let him throw deep when he can't even manage a spiral on the rare chance he gets? Come on now.".

Well, then, how stupid of the coaching staff to do that. What possible harm can come from allowing him to throw a deep ball at some earlier in the game, just to keep the defense honest and off the LOS?

Is that supposed to be a Man-genius geniusism? Set your own offense up for complete failure by refusing to try to chuck 1 ball 25 yards down field at least once in the first 50 minutes of the game? Against an aggressive defense ?

You guys are 100% wrong. The HC even admitted in today's post game press conference that they called a few longer pass plays during the game, but Quinn never had a chance to throw a single one of them. "

The reality is, unless you don't believe what the Genius said, is that they DID call some longer pass plays to be executed, but the cast around the QB is so pathetic that their QB never got time to execute any of those particular throws.

Its the supporting cast that is the the reasoning behind any "trimming down" of the playbook the staff is doing, NOT the arm strength of the QB. If Quinn's arm was that ppor, he would have never been drafted into the NFL by any team.................let alone be given a 1st RD draft grade by merely every draft publication in the country when he entered the draft.

Think of how silly you guys that hate Quinn are sounding.

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Matt, Mr. Quinn needs to have his name changed to Rady Uinn. After what we have witnessed, he has no business even having QB in his name, let alone a job as a QB.

Most telling passes were in the last minute of the game when he threw deep twice to the right and both passes landed about 7 yards out of bounds.

I have been a Browns fan since the 50's. I have NEVER wavered in my support for this team. When the times were tough you always had something to look forward to. Right now what I look forward to is Mangini getting fired. I know Jauron got fired today but they canned the wrong guy. I have limited football coaching skills and can coach this guy into the poor house. Why even have wideouts when every pass is in the flats or a quick slant. Mangini isn't the only one that need to see the exit door. I really hate to say this but Quinn, who I wanted to start from the begining, and Anderson need to be on the next Bus to the unemployment line. Never have I been so embarressed to be a Fan Of the Browns. The crap of the last 10 years has to stop. This proud franchise cannot live on it's past forever. Get a Bill Parcells in the front office. Get a GM and a Coach that can do their jobs. Reward the fans with a team to be proud of.

What I don't understand is that a couple of years ago this Browns team had a fantastic offense, DA was a Pro Bowl QB and they looked to be on the upswing. WTF happened? Now DA is terrible, their offense is beyond awful, they traded their one threat away and Quinn is in what you might call a bad situation.

I thought they made a big mistake drafting Quinn, and he hasn't shown much if anything, but honeslty, this offense is so bad I;m not sure Brady or Manning would look goiod running it.

In regards to Dan's comment: "If Quinn's arm was that ppor, he would have never been drafted into the NFL by any team.................let alone be given a 1st RD draft grade by merely every draft publication in the country when he entered the draft. "

#1 - That's like saying that if Darius Heyward-Bey couldn't run a route or catch a ball, he would never have been drafted as a top ten WR in the NFL. Oops. Sometimes, scouts just blow their analysis and players are not good. (And for the Raiders, it's most of the time).

#2 - Speaking of blowing their analyses, the writers for the draft publications that you hold in such high regard are rarely on the same page as the scouts for the NFL teams, who generally know better. Why do you think Quinn dropped so far on draft day? If it wasn't for the incompetent Browns scooping him up, Quinn would have likely dropped into the second round since most teams did not project him as a 1st round pick, nor a starting QB in the NFL.

First off, I agree with the sentiment QB's get far too much credit/blame. No QB will be successful in CLE. Don't care if your name is Favre, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Manning. None of those QB's would have a winning season in CLE right now. Especially after your coach trades away your only offensive talent.

Secondly no QB achieves greatness without a good supporting cast, coaches, and coordinators. No HOF QB gets there purely because of their skill.

That being said Quinn is not an NFL starting QB. You only needed to watch those two attempts at Hail Mary's that he threw out of bounds, the fact his passes have no zip etc... to see he's not that good.

Could he be taught by a good QB coach to become an NFL starter? Don't know, and probably won't anytime soon. Had you stuck Aaron Rodgers in CLE he may never have developed the way he did. But his skills were better from the outset.

Lesson? Don't take a first round QB just because you lack a franchise QB. The 2007 draft was notoriously weak at the QB position. The 2007 draft first round produced 8 pro-bowlers, and included good position players like Meacham, Gonzalez, Leon Hall, Meriweather, Aaron Ross.... There was plenty of talent, just not at QB.

First off, I agree with the sentiment QB's get far too much credit/blame. No QB will be successful in CLE. Don't care if your name is Favre, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Manning. None of those QB's would have a winning season in CLE right now. Especially after your coach trades away your only offensive talent.

Secondly no QB achieves greatness without a good supporting cast, coaches, and coordinators. No HOF QB gets there purely because of their skill.

That being said Quinn is not an NFL starting QB. You only needed to watch those two attempts at Hail Mary's that he threw out of bounds, the fact his passes have no zip etc... to see he's not that good.

Could he be taught by a good QB coach to become an NFL starter? Don't know, and probably won't anytime soon. Had you stuck Aaron Rodgers in CLE he may never have developed the way he did. But his skills were better from the outset.

Lesson? Don't take a first round QB just because you lack a franchise QB. The 2007 draft was notoriously weak at the QB position. The 2007 draft first round produced 8 pro-bowlers, and included good position players like Meacham, Gonzalez, Leon Hall, Meriweather, Aaron Ross.... There was plenty of talent, just not at QB.

Actually, Jason Campbell's secretly having a very nice year, especially considering the circumstances. And Cutler's sort of the Teflon QB of the league, well at least he was until the 5 INT game.