Tavern talk: final almost blue list

What - no specialists that are almost blue?

Yea I'm a homer but where do you see Nick Collins, Charles Woodson? I would think Collins is knocking on the door, and am I the only one who see Woodson for what he is, one of the best "football players in the league"? I mean Woodson is just the total package really. Zone, Man, Safety, Corner, 4-3, 3-4, good PR but limited there to keep him healthy, and now we are seeing some leadership post Favre. Just seems to me that Woodsons gotta be in there. What a football player. How many GM's would take Terrance Newman over Charles Woodson?

The list looks great and definitely almost final.

As a Bengals fan, two things:

1. I agree that Palmer is almost blue this year, he's got something to prove after the knee and elbow.... I'm not sure we can totally trust him yet with consistency. He could easily be blue by week 5.

2. Same with Ochocinco. I'm glad you heard the calls, and I'm fine with him on the almost blue list, especially with TO on the same list. He also clearly has something to prove.

Thanks again for taking the time, they've all been enjoyable reads and great debates. Let's get the season started!

Who is defensive tackle A. Smith?

Hey, Nick, Charles Woodson is listed under CB for Blue. Why are you complaining?

I think EJ Henderson and Chad Greenway are going to surprise a lot of people this year. They're overlooked in such a stacked defense but they won't be this year. Henderson was arguably Pro-Bowl level in 2007 until he got hurt in 08. Greenway has freakish athleticism, he was all over the place last year and will continue to get better this season. They'll be blue-chippers in no time.

No Frank Gore? really?

Aaron Smith - Steelers.

He plays DE in the 3-4 but would be a DT in a 4-3.

Hard to leave Nick Collins off the almost blue list with 7 picks, three returned for TDs, last season. It took a concerted grassroots effort to get Charles Woodson, who wasn't even an almost blue in the initial list, onto the Blue list. Looks like we'll have to get out the drums and fife and lead the march to get Collins that coveted almost blue.

Michael, seriously, I don't need someone else to tell me who are the best 10 players on a position. Peyton Manning is a good QB? Really? WOW! Thanks for including that guy! I totally agree!

(or 1 center, because, hey, who cares about centers?)

Dumb people talk about people.
Normal people talk about what happened.
Smart people talk about ideas.

So if your CEO really wants to complain, he should complain about your lack of analysis.

Brandon Jacobs not a top 15 rb? Avg 5.0 yards a carry for the past two seasons. I guess it has to do with his lack of catches or fewer touches than everyone else.

Turner doesnt catch the ball and from a per play basis, he is better. Being the one guy counts for something but is it really the difference b/t a blue chipper and a guy who isnt on the list?

From a pure running the ball standpoint there are few who are better.

-He is easily top 5 in converting 3rd and shorts and goalines.

-Is top notch at picking up blitzes.

-Finally does wearing down a defense and placing fear in defenders not count for anything.


This is the guy that defines the attitude of one of the best teams in the league and sets the tone every game.

I agree, I think Gore belongs on the almost blue list. He's definitely better that LJ and Ronnie Brown. I think I'd put Marion Barber on the almost blue list too. I'll have to listen to the podcast tomorrow and hear what you guys think on some of these players.