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From Jason Wilde of the Wisconsin State Journal:

GREEN BAY — Charles Woodson used no qualifiers, never couched his response as a hypothetical or wondered whether the story was true.

Instead, when told after the Green Bay Packers' 34-14 victory over Indianapolis that former Packers quarterback Brett Favre reportedly called the Detroit Lions before Green Bay's Sept. 14 game at Ford Field to give the Lions coaches insight into the Packers offense, Woodson didn't hold back.

"I don't respect that. If they call him and he gives them information, that's one thing. But to seek a team out and to feel like you're trying to sabotage this team, I don't respect that," the Packers veteran cornerback said. "I know he's been the greatest player around here for a long time, but there's no honor in that.

"I've never called a coach on another team and told them what's going to happen. Obviously he says he wasn't bitter about what happened, but obviously there is a little bit of resentment there."

Asked about the story after the game, Packers coach Mike McCarthy replied, "I would say it's disappointing." He then cut himself off before commenting further.

Fox Sports' Jay Glazer broke the story during the network's pregame show Sunday morning. According to Glazer's sources, Favre — now the New York Jets' quarterback after his Aug. 6 trade from the Packers — spent 60 to 90 minutes on the phone with the Lions' coaches prior to their Week 2 game and "gave them a rundown of the nuances of what Green Bay does on offense."

Two league sources said Sunday they had been told of Favre contacting the Lions last month, before Glazer's report. One said the report was "absolutely" true.

Sports Illustrated's Peter King said on NBC's pre-game show Sunday evening that Favre text-messaged him Sunday afternoon before the Jets' 16-13 overtime loss at Oakland and said the story was "total B.S." Favre was not asked about the report during his press conference following the Jets' loss.

Glazer's sources said Favre was put in touch with the coaches by then-team president Matt Millen.

Favre admitted during the NFL's tampering investigation into the Minnesota Vikings that in addition to talking to Vikings coach Brad Childress and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell while contemplating unretiring, he also spoke to Millen. One coach on the Lions' staff, Kippy Brown, coached with the Packers in 2000 as running backs coach under Mike Sherman.

Glazer's sources said at least one other team had "casual talks" in the past with Favre and talked about some of what Green Bay does, "but it was nowhere near the details he let loose to the Lions."

Asked about the story after the Lions' loss at Houston, Detroit defensive coordinator Joe Barry said: "If he helped us, he didn't do a very good job." The Packers beat the Lions 48-25.

Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers declined comment after the game about the story, while defensive end Aaron Kampman said, "I'm not going to touch that with a 10-foot pole."

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Rob
Oct 20, 2008
12:29 PM

Notice everyone is commenting on if...yes if if if he said it or did it...if if if...and if lips were buttholes you would be taking a crap out of your mouth....

Rob
Oct 20, 2008
01:21 PM

Hey Peter...Farve 12 TDS 4 INTS...Rogers 9 TDS 4 INTS.... FARVE with Packers last year...28 TDS 15 INTS...13 WINS 3 LOSSES...ROGERS this year???? 4 WINS 3 LOSSES in 7 GAMES looks like your Pumpkin has been squashed Peter....

dan
Oct 20, 2008
01:42 PM

I could see Favre doing this. He's always been a moron off the field. True or not, this doesn't change the fact that I enjoy watching him play and always have. Rodgers is a better QB at this point, though, and all indications are that he will continue to be for years to come.

Thompson made the right move, but anybody who's heard anything Brett's said in NY can tell that he's VERY bitter about it. He doesn't open his mouth without saying something about the Packers, almost always negative. I find it annoying.

Peter
Oct 20, 2008
01:56 PM

Rob, don't really know what your problem is, but if you want to post stats, at least post the correct ones... Guess you are not much into fact checking, though. Just deciding before hand whether you like a guy or not and then say well that is fact and that not. Here are the stats from this season for both Favre and Rodgers:

Favre 13 TDs, 8 INTs, 1321 yards, 92.3 rating, 68.2% compl, 10 rushes for 17 yards no TDs, 6 fumbles, 2 lost

Rodgers 12 TDs, 4 INTs, 1668 yards, 98.8 rating, 65.6% compl, 30 rushes for 113 yards with 3 TDs, 5 fumbles, 2 lost

Don't really see an advantage for Favre there...
Glazer was on a radio show this morning and said he knew about this for over a month, but had not been able to verify it until yesterday, that's when he broke it.

Wade
Oct 20, 2008
02:00 PM

Yeah, that's a real apples-to-apples comparison there, Rob. The Packers have suffered a couple devastating injuries to defensive personnel this year, and their running game (hello, paging Ryan Grant) was essentially non-existent until yesterday. Why not go back to the prior two seasons, when the Packers were 8-8 (2006) and a putrid 4-12 (2005) and Favre was throwing interceptions like they were going out of style, including a ridiculous 29 in 2005. What changed for the Pack between 2006 and 2007? Favre was more efficient, but it was mostly the massive improvements in the defense and running game that led to the big jump to 13 wins.

Point is, you can't make valid comparisons between two seasons in the NFL, even between the same team. Too many variables change. Oh, and by the way, the Packers' QB is Aaron RoDgers, not Rogers.

re
Oct 20, 2008
02:00 PM

for the record, back when the rumors started to circulate that favre wanted to come back and play, favre said that was "total BS" too. we all know what happened next.

Daniel
Oct 20, 2008
02:07 PM

@ Rob: At the end of the day, this story isn't about which QB is better to have this season. It's about somebody (either Favre or Thompson, but Thompson already has the upper hand) saving face after the pre-season drama.

Considering Favre's track record, it's much more likely that he is the one perpetuating this mess.

Still, I am dismayed by the use of anonymous sources as it helps verify nothing. I'd like to see a cell phone bill that itemizes calls made to Matt Millen in the week leading up to the Detroit game, this would help substantiate some of the accusations against Favre.

Brad James
Oct 20, 2008
02:35 PM

As I've been listening to the Jim Rome Show, all of these Packers fans (who have had their joy ripped after a dominant victory over the Colts, that sucks...) are calling and saying Brett Favre's a jackass. My response: Packer fan, I told you so. I've never liked this pile of garbage. He may have impressive stats, but Peyton Manning's are much better, and he's obtained them much swifter and he will be the GOAT, notwithstanding his trashy performance at Green Bay.

Rob
Oct 20, 2008
03:45 PM

First of all, I went with the stats provided from this site..Secondly Jay Glazer verified nothing with using unnamed sources as all of the accusations have been..All he did is say he is standing by his story...What else do you expect him to do..When he gives the fans concrete sources I'll take note, but until then, i thought this was America where people need to be proven Guilty...I think i heard this during the OJ TRIAL..IF THE EVIDENCE DOESN'T FIT YOU MUST AQUIT...PS. I Don't really care how Mr. RoDgers spells his name but Thanks I'll make note of that when he does something worth remembering...

Tammy
Oct 20, 2008
03:48 PM

Honestly, people. Wonder how any of you would feel if every second-hand rumor someone said about you got blown up, "verified" by everyone with a bone to pick or who wants to rattle some cages, and proclaimed as true by the masses. Bring me some proof, and we'll talk. Favre has said it isn't true. What, we can't believe him because it's not as flashy?

Daniel
Oct 20, 2008
04:04 PM

@ Tammy: I read somewhere (maybe here?) that Glazer sat on this information for a month before he could verify it. If this is true, it's a very responsible move on his part. Still, I wish he could give us another source of verification.

At any rate, if the NFL can investigate and penalize players' actions off the field, then they can and should investigate this allegation (as I said above, but I want to re-iterate it). I can see no reason why they shouldn't

BigJohn
Oct 20, 2008
06:04 PM

Daniel:

Re: Your statement that NFL should investigate Favre/Lions "allegation."

See http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/10/20/nfl-says-no-violation-if-favre-talked-to-lions.aspx

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello and others have said that even if the conversation occurred, no NFL rule was violated.

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