Diner Morning News: What's Next For Quinn?

"Now I'm done"

I don't watch much college football but I am a Pats fan so I did watch most of the ND games Weis' first year there and I concur that he has never been accurate. I thought he was drafted far too high for his skillset. If you want to take a guy who isn't that accurate, that's not necessarily horrible, but not in the first round or on the first day even. Eli Manning isn't that accurate either. Much as I like Eli, I certainly don't think he will ever be an elite QB, and that is the main reason.

If you take away the good games that Peyton Manning had against bad defenses then maybe he had a bad year too. Quinn also played in a game with a broken finger. Also did you take Cutler's game against the bBrowns last year away because of the Browns D. It's easy to make your point when you pick and choose the stats you use.

Michael, I want to quote you from a prvious article:

“The volume of plays is one of the reasons why it takes ten games to evaluate young quarterbacks.”

You wrote that over a year ago, yet you seem to have already made your evaluation of Quinn.

I'm not saying Quinn is good or bad yet. And at this point where he was drafted is irrelevant (having been at the same spots as the likes of JP Losman, Kyle Bowler, etc.). But I thought, according to you we should WAIT to fully judge his NFL potential. 89 passes just isn't enough information.

Do I agree, the fans of Cleveland think too highly of him and have unrealistic expectations? Sure, but every teams fans can be described that way. Particularly of young QB's. It's the coach and GM's job to protect him from those expectations as best possible and put the player into a situation to succeed.

I don't know. You've written a lot about Quinn this off-season, mostly negative, without a real "point" to the conversation. Should the Browns give up on him after 90 attempt and go against what you state? If all the other GM's in the league think he's as bad as you, there would be little trade value, correct? Are you saying the Browns should take a QB at pick #5 and have Anderson, Quinn and Stafford/Sanchez on the roster?

I don't really know what you are getting at.

Nice call Thom Ferris!

I think if and when Brady Quinn fizzles, ESPN should have a segment where Cam Cameron gets revenge on Mel Kiper for the verbal beatdown he gave the Dolphins for passing on Quinn. Not sure how they'd do it, maybe watch game tape and make really snarky comments after every bad throw or something. Then the show can end with Mel getting the last word which will undoubtedly be, "how's the Ted Ginn working out for you? Oh I forgot, you got fired because you lost 15 games, that's right."

I think the real theorhetical question you are trying to make is:

"Can you take advanatage of a new coach/GM that over-evaluates a player on your roster?"

This is regardless of position.

After re-reading the article, the point seems to be McDaniels in Denver could be over-evaluating Quinn and can Cleveland take advantage of that. And I assume we can apply this lesson to any new coaching/regime change in the NFL and how your team could possibly take advantage of that situation.

Maybe another example would be prudent to show your point.

yeah but he didnt "take away his games against bad defenses", he took away one game against a Denver defense that was the worst I've ever seen on a professional level. Quinn was pretty bad in every other game and Lombardi is right to question his ability at this point. Besides don't put him in the same sentence as Peyton Manning in any context.

Sure you can question his ability at this point because he has only 3 starts. He doesnt deserve to be bashed when there isnt a large enough body of work to evaluate.Lombardi did take the Denver game away to lower his comp % under 50. When you start to take things away you can make any point you want. He didnt have great stats against the Bills but they won and he was bad against the Texans with a broken finger on his throwing hand. If after a season or two worth of starts and there is no improvement then go ahead and rip him.

Even including the Denver game Quinn's completion % was bad. Barely 50% doesn't cut it in the NFL. He can improve with more reps and confidence, but at this stage this is a concern for any team that considers picking Quinn up in a trade.

Quinn strikes me as a meathead who mistakes being able to follow what Rush Limbaugh is saying with advanced intellect. His overall view of himself doesn't seem to match what everybody else sees. That makes a guy hard to lead or coach.

Football wise, I can only speak to what I saw in his game against the Broncos. He missed two short throws badly that would have salted that game away for the Browns. I hope the Broncos interest in him is as mythical as it should be.

Excellent read, Mike -

Some of the highlights in my view -

Mike Lombardi said: "But what Weis thinks, and what others who worked for and with Weis at New England think, are vastly different. And no matter how close they may be, there’s nothing that Weis can say to change their mind. In fact, when McDaniels was on the staff at NE, the Patriots did not have Quinn very high on their board, regardless of the wisdom stemming from Weis’ evaluation."

"Accuracy is something that’s hard to fix. NFL accuracy is putting the ball into tight spots and making sure the ball is thrown in the right zone so the receiver can make yards after the catch."

"In the next two weeks, there will be some moves that seem to indicate that teams will cross a need off their list going into the draft, but this is all perception, not reality. We’re in the middle of the misinformation period of the NFL Draft and no moves can be taken at face value. Teams are trying to make sure no one can figure out what their real intentions will be on draft day."

Very nice, great stuff...really enjoyed this - We get inside information from a previous draft board in New England - The importance of accuracy and hitting the receiver in stride or directionally in the zone where he can get to an open area after the catch - And the timing of the teams draft misinformation process being at its height right now -

deljzc, in defense of ML, his point is not to make a final evaluation of Quinn, as shown by his comment later that Quinn will have the chance to prove everyone wrong on the field. The point is that Denver cannot wait 10 games before deciding what he is worth. They must evaluate now. ML is doing in his head the same evaluating that McDaniels has to do now.

I watched ND throughout Quinn's career, and my observation was that he was not very accurate. He had a very tall all-American WR whose circus catches made Quinn look better than he was. However, I will say this: my lay evaluation of Quinn was that I thought he would be better in the pros than Matt Leinart, because I did not think Leinart had the inner fortitude to become a great QB in the NFL. I think Quinn has the intangibles to be successful. He may frustrate coaches and fans at some levels, but I think he will give his team a chance to win.