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I say we burn him at the stake!

Who's in!

Doesn't look like much of a site people would go to for football information but still pretty uncool when they could've just given credit or a link like everybody else does. Actually surprising anybody ever even noticed.

Unfortunately much of the commentary is so unoriginal that just about anyone can come to the same conclusions.

Let me guess: this may be Phillips' last season as head coach of the Cowboys if they don't make the playoffs. You heard it here first!

C'mon Lombardi et al, you're better than that

What are the ramifications of this blatant plagiarism?

Pretty disappointing that Landry would do something like that. I listen to him on the radio often and he's certainly very knowledgeable about the NFL and college football. Why he would stoop to committing plagarism is beyond me.

I'm not going to cast stones at Chris Landry this quick. NFP is going to have to show me more evidence in order to sway me.

It is amazing that a few "professionals" still try to do this in online media, where it is going to catch up with you sooner rather than later. I learned my lesson about plagiarism in grade school.

Rich/CB - I Haven't read anything else about this, but the examples given above seem to point pretty convincingly to plagiarism

So what's going to happen? It is odd that he, nor his paper/website have had any official response.

For Those Giving Landry the Benefit of the Doubt - i've looked into this myself and there is no doubt he blatantly copied from numerous NFP articles. In the same articles Andrew cites above, there is a "stats" section. Lombardi's was posted online on the 17th of November. Landry's was posted on the 21st and aside from removing one item, the lists are virtually identical. Even strange punctuations like parentheses and semi-colons are in the same place. Sentence fragments are identical. The order the items are listed in is identical. Basically, Landry wrote some stuff and then copied other peoples work to fill out his articles. I found at least five pieces Landry that clearly matched existing content from NFP but unless someone can show evidence of a DeLorean with a Flux Capacitor, Landry posting the stuff four days after Lombardi makes it pretty clear.

the plot further thickens.....in 1992-93, landry worked for the browns....his boss???? Mike Lombardi.....love to know the history there.....

I can't say anything bad about Landry. In an email to the Big Dog on 620 WDAE, Landry was clear that his article is submitted by 3 AM on the previous day. As of early Monday morning the NFP had not posted any article.

Josh,

"he said in a email" to a sports radio show that of which he was suppose to be on live but never called in!! dont be naive my friend.

It just shows how good the content on NFP is that there are people out there plagiarising it!

Seriously, as someone who has had thier work stolen before, it's kind of flattering, but then it makes you mad.


I'm sure he will blame it on the webmaster, who of course, put his "notes" into his column or something like that.

Josh - Landry's entire 2008 series of columns has been removed from Sportsnet.ca. For most of the articles where there was obvious copying, the articles were posted on the same date. In the case Andrew mentions here, they were posted four days apart, with Landry's coming four days after Lombardi's. Both websites use a mechanism where the date the article was published can be independently verified and they were clearly four days apart.

Ryan - been there, I used to be an internet developer but gave it up after the third incident of having my work stolen by someone else who turned around and made a profit off of it. Went back to database development - don't need lawyers to protect you there.

If this is true(it seems pretty obvious it is), then Landry should be ashamed.

It doesn't matter though guys, cause NFP is still one of the best sport sites there is.

Keep up the good work guys.

Landry was fired by Lombardi in Cleveland. Not that this is definitely related, but it's possible.

This is a problem with the internet age. What recourse does NFP really have?

If this is true (and it's not proven yet - but it certainly seems bad for Landry), I will certainly go out of my way to boycott him. I work in a similar industry. It's hard work. You don't steal someone else's work. Period. I'd encourage everyone to join a boycott of Landry if this does get proved to be true.

What is most damning is that Landry will not go on record and discuss this in person with anyone. He claims he is currently dealing with family issues, but if my professional reputation was on the line, I think I could find a few minutes to vigorously defend it in person. I’d talk to anyone, anywhere to protect my livelihood and protect my honor. I’d go on local cable access for goodness sake. I would not allow this story to gain traction without me on the record, point by point addressing every allegation. I would do everything within my power to not be labeled a liar and a thief. Why do you suppose Landry is practicing his duck and cover drill?

Aren't you going to credit Florio? He's the one who blew the whistle on Landry.

You know the saying about being the best.

Often imitated, often duplicated(verbatim).

As sad as this is, it actually is a breakthrough for NFP. Prior to this, mention of this site on the PFT.com site was taboo and blog entries were censored if they mentioned it. I know because it happened to me. Now it seems some detente is occuring. And again I am sure a big bump in NFP hits. It is like I told Florio, don't be afraid of competition.

Wow, I have to say that I am surprised to read the latest developments. I have read and enjoyed many of Landry's insights and columns over the years. This latest piece of information is disturbing. I live in the Tampa Bay Area and listen to Duemig's show on 620 WDAE. He does tend to support friends blindly and without regard for his reputation and/or credibility. Landry is supposed to be on with Duemig on Friday at 4 PM on 620 WDAE. Stream it online on 620wdae.com it should be very interesting to see Landry respond to this. It doesn't help that Landry's articles were removed from the archives by sportsnet.ca leaving the impression that Landry was caught. It also interesting that no one has come out in Landry's defense. I am a new reader to NFP and I have enjoyed it a lot. Great site!

Chain of events re: PFT, as I recall them =

- when NFP started, PFT linked here and praised the site
- PFT makes half-baked post accusing Mike Lombardi of "acts of treason" etc.
- Lombardi responds in a NFP post, utterly dismantling Mike Florio. The hit on Wes Welker was comparatively gentle.
- Florio never mentions NFP again, and deletes comments on his site which mention NFP, until this plagiarism story

Maybe this is intended as a "making nice" gesture by PFT, but I think it is more likely, as usual, about self-aggrandizement and BREAKING STORIES without confirming them.

Yes, I do still read PFT sometimes. Not so much since NFP came online, though...

PFT is reporting that Landry has been terminated by Sportsnet.ca........

Tessio, thanks, didn't know pft linked here. I read both because no one site has the monopoly on information and how it is presented. I would say one is is an "information/rumor/instigation" mill and one is little quieter, little more refined, and a little more intellectual.. you be the judge..

on a side note..Andrew any way that the posts could be properly lineated when they are posted?? it gets a little confusing as to who wrote what sometimes.

SPECTACULAR WORK, cheaters might win but never prosper.

I might add that is WAS pft that put the meat into the story and carried it...

Yes, I do credit PFT for this, though I wonder why the person who spotted the copied articles emailed Mike Florio and not Brandt/Lombardi in the first place.

My criticism is that as usual, PFT made multiple posts about the ongoing story before confirming anything at all, "narrating" the process of sending out emails to contact people... this is pretty dumb. Alternately saying "look at us breaking this big-time story, we get the serious news" (which they sometimes do) and then flip-flopping to "hey, don't blame us for this crazy report, we're just a blog/rumor site!" at other times is disingenuous.

Anyway... it is nice that PFT helped NFP, and that this plagiarism fiasco is now taken care of.

making the assumption that the plagiarism took place, it is wrong .. it's just that simple. This is not an 8th grade book report. A professional in their field knows what they are doing when they publish someone elses exact words as their own opinion.

Where's your proof that it was Landry and not you guys that did the plagerism? Who cares really.

CW... you obviously haven't followed the story. It is very evident who plagiarized. To ask "who cares" is ignorant. Someone, we will call him Landry, got paid to write things. He decided it would be easier to get paid while using another person's writings--in essence doing no work but getting paid for it and putting his employer in a bad position while doing it.

Alex, you are right but remember who you are talking about. Florio is an egomaniac and loves to instigate, suggest, regurgitate, and wow with legalese. Everybody who reads pft makes a value judgment starting with the headlines in the rumor mill... "will i read that or not?".. ok now "do i believe that or not?" and "was that worth my time or not?".. usually if you decide to read a headline you might have a 50% chance of saying it was worth your time when you are finished with a pft piece...

When its all said and done the right person will be right and the wrong person will be wrong and thats the bottom line!!!!!!

it's offical.....landry is done......sportsnet.ca has presented a statement admitting the plagiarism and landry's dismissal.....

Did anyone catch the interview of Chris Landry on 620WDAE by Steve Duemig? Landry basically completely denied it. Can there be anymore action on your side NFP?