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Young believed in a grading system that works in unison with the kind of team that he is trying to build. Young wanted a BIG, FAST FOOTBALL TEAM THAT HAD SIZE, SPEED AND TOUGHNESS. Michael Lombardi

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THURSDAY TAVERN DRAFT TALK….

Let’s do a good team for a change and there is no better place to start than with the World Champion NY Giants.  A little background on the methodology of how the Giants draft:  In 1979, the Giants were in turmoil.  Head Coach John McVay was fired.  Andy Robustelli quit as director of operations. Wellington Mara and the family of his late brother, Jack, each owned 50 percent of the team, and Wellington's relationship with his nephew Tim, who represented his part of the family, had disintegrated to the point that they did not talk.  Wellington made the football decisions, and when he announced he would hire a new coach before a general manager, Tim objected. The stalemate became ugly, and Pete Rozelle, the N.F.L. commissioner at the time, stepped in as the mediator. He sent the two Maras a list of potential general managers. George Young was on the list, and both accepted him.

What Young brought to the Giants was a system of player procurement that still is a part of the landscape of the organization. For 15 years, Young taught history and political science in Baltimore high schools and coached football at his alma mater, Calvert Hall College, and at City College, both high schools. His teams won six state titles in 15 years. In 1968, Hall of Fame coach Don Shula hired Young to work with the Baltimore Colts as a personnel aide, and for six years Young worked in personnel and as an assistant coach. From 1975 to 1979, he was the director of pro scouting for the Miami Dolphins.

Young believed in a grading system that works in unison with the kind of team that he is trying to build.  Young wanted a BIG, FAST FOOTBALL TEAM THAT HAD SIZE, SPEED AND TOUGHNESS.  So this grading system indentifies players that meet the correct height, weight and speed requirements set forth by the organization.  Even the exemptions to the standards have their own grade and the objective of the system is to draft all CLEAN players-essentially players that meet the standards. 

When Young left, Ernie Accorsi took over and kept the foundation in place, but added his flair, his views and his beliefs around the core of the system.  When you have a foundation in place, it is easier to modify and improve than to have to bring in a new way of doing business.  The players might not play well enough, but they do fit the requirement, so the fault lies in the evaluation, rather than the system. 

This process takes discipline from everyone in the organization.  It takes someone at the top that understands and believes in the value of having a comprehensive grading system as the foundation for building a Championship team.  Remember, scouting is more about elimination, than finding players.  So when the system helps in the elimination process, it makes scouting that much easier.  And being consistent in what kind of players you draft allows you to find gems along the way. 

The grading system APPLIES to ALL players that are drafted, signed as free agents or claimed on the waiver wire.  It is an organizational philosophy that is part of the fabric of the team. 

HERE IS THE BREAK DOWN FOR THE GIANTS

SINCE 2002

  • 6 NUMBER ONE PICKS
  • 7 NUMBER TWO PICKS
  • 6 NUMBER THREE PICKS
  • 7 NUMBER FOUR PICKS
  • 6 NUMBER FIVE PICKS
  • 9 NUMBER SIX PICKS
  • 10 NUMBER SEVEN PICKS

The 2005 Draft made this a CHAMPIONSHIP team, as they were able to acquire Justin Tuck and Brandon Jacobs in the 3rd and 4th round after trading their number one pick for Eli Manning.  Those two alone were worth number one picks

7 offensive line and 9 defensive lineman were taken in the draft.   New York will draft this position in any round. 

No linebacker was drafted in the first two rounds.  The earliest LB selected was Gerris Wilkinson in the 3rd, 95th overall. 

They might have some misses early, but almost always find gems later in the draft.  In 2003, they drafted their starting left tackle in the fifth round and Osi Umenyiora in the second.  They selected WR Kevin Walter in the seventh, but lost him to the Bengals on a waiver claim. 

Think this team can draft backs?  They got Jacobs in the fourth and Bradshaw in the seventh.  Well done. 

They might make mistakes in evaluations, but never in the kind of players they are searching for. 

This team works all phases of the player procurement system and brings in talent that fits each and every day. 

They are consistent and they have a plan.  And that is a very good business model for drafting and building an NFL team. 

SINCE 2002 BY POSITION….

1

31

Kenny Phillips

DB

Miami (Fla.)

1

20

Aaron Ross

DB

Texas

2

63

Terrell Thomas

DB

USC

2

43

Corey Webster

DB

Louisiana State

4

123

Rod Babers

DB

Texas

5

158

Charlie Peprah

DB

Alabama

5

136

Gibril Wilson

DB

Tennessee

6

207

Frank Walker

DB

Tuskegee

7

224

Michael Johnson

DB

Arizona

7

232

Gerrick McPhearson

DB

Maryland

         

1

32

Mathias Kiwanuka

DL

Boston College

1

25

William Joseph

DL

Miami (Fla.)

2

56

Osi Umenyiora

DL

Troy State

3

81

Jay Alford

DL

Penn State

3

74

Justin Tuck

DL

Notre Dame

4

124

Barry Cofield

DL

Northwestern

6

199

Robert Henderson

DL

Southern Mississippi

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Chris in CT
Oct 30, 2008
05:27 PM

Don't all teams look for players that are BIG, FAST, and TOUGH??? Nobody says give me a slow, small whimpy guy! Plus, all teams make exceptions, including the Giants...how about Siniorce Moss in the early rounds???

michael
Oct 30, 2008
07:27 PM

yes they make exceptions and they have a grade for those players. and do you think tampa or indy are a big tough football team? many teams don;t believe in the size speed requirement. you think indy is big with their 250 pound dts?

Mr.Murder
Oct 30, 2008
08:24 PM

Tuck was a LB at school? Speed, draft powerful players with quickness, move them to the other level of the defense, closer to the line, suddenly they are a speed mismatch for new positions.

The numbers show an abundance of depth at defensive line. You win consistently up front.

It would appear that skill positions of RB, QB, and TE could all use consideration still from a depth perspective. They have made some free agency singings for those spots as well. Was Tiki originally taken after another runner, with return ability for kicks initially in mind, as extra speed?

The coming draft appears more of one for third down backs in backfield category(speed). Unless you can convert a slash type, could that have been the original intent of getting Andre Woodson?

It appears most of the focus on developing LB comes in middle rounds, since one of those roster spots is usually a two down player anyways.

Premium DB play can take priority as well. Since they've had later draft positions it means trying to project toughness to players who slide but are still qualified at their position.

Webster, Ross, Phillips, Wilson all seemed to match that when playing their best. Coach Coughlin culture toughness as well. The HC must be a part of the program.

Mike in MD
Oct 30, 2008
08:29 PM

Mike...with the OLine do you prefer bigger mauling type offensive linemen or the slightly smaller quicker athletic type? Conventional or zone blocking? What do you think fits best in todays NFL?

Mel
Oct 30, 2008
08:40 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you mean Brandon Jacbs, not Brandon Moore in the 2005 draft comment.

Mel
Oct 30, 2008
08:47 PM

Sorry, meant to say ' you mean Brandon Jacobs, not Brandon Moore in the 2005 draft comment'.

michael
Oct 30, 2008
08:58 PM

yes, for sure Jacobs....and want a big physical off line

London_Ben
Oct 30, 2008
09:47 PM

Looking down that list of names, I see a lot of familiar ones. It's almost as if their entire set of starters on O and D have come through the draft. Which have been the key free agent pickups for the Giants in the past 5 years, in your opinion?

Move_The_Chains
Oct 30, 2008
10:48 PM

Mike - Was this evaluation the same one year ago when they were playing poorly and people wanted to see the end of Coughlin and Eli? I don't recall at that time anyone saying "Watch out for the Giants, they are ready to make their move!"

What organization today is in the same place as the G Men were a year ago at this point? Which one is treading water, but could be ready to really get going? Houston, Baltimore,New Orleans ?

CK
Oct 31, 2008
03:09 AM

Noticed that they don't shy away from small school guys nor do they seem to have much of a "bias" towards any one school. they mush have a great scouting staff overall.

Mikal
Oct 31, 2008
05:26 AM

Some skill, but there is still some luck in the draft. Considering that they have done very well.

fiddy cent beer
Oct 31, 2008
06:43 AM

Mr. Murder:

Tuck drilled as a LB in his freshman year, but rarely saw the field. Switched to DE before his soph, where he made his Our Lady bones. Came out after his junior year, iirc.

Mr Lombardi:

Bill Parcells seeks the same kind of player. Do you think we got that from his association with the Giants, or had it on his own?

FWIW: the 2005 draft came fairly close to making these Cowboys too. Ware in the 1st; Barber in the 4th and all DL starters in Rs 1, 4 and 7 (reverse order qualitatively being Ratliff, Canty and Spears). He also drafted a decent package LB, Burnett, in the 2nd and hardluck Justin Beriault in the 6th. Beriault was contending for a starting job in camp 2005 before blowing out a knee.

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